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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 10, 2006 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Yeah, it's late at night, work tomorrow, and i'm feeling i just can't put these old bones (figuratively speaking, ha, ha) down just yet. So, listening to some recently acquired Dead, relaxed in place with some chilled Ketel One (don't even think it!).

Anyway, i was wondering if any other soul out there on the planet, who has a penchant for live Dead, has ever really wanted to love one of the Dead's songs, but no matter how many listens, from however many shows, the song just doesn't seem to strike in that special way.

Well, the song for me is Stella Blue. I know, i know, a fave among many heads, but what can i say except it just doesn't do it for me. And i've tried, really. I want to like it, i want it to be the song i never skip.

However, don't confuse my query with GD songs you don't like. I have those as well, and frankly, i have no problem that i don't like them. You know the ones: Mexicali, Johnny B. Goode, Throwin' Stones, Hell in a Bucket, etc. Writeoffs in my humble opinion.

So, yeah, sitting here late at night wishin' i could love Stella Blue. Sigh.

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

oh and Easy A That blows. yeah I can see what U mean about vic on how intersting it is, my old lady thinks the same thing. I agree on that side of things. I like weird.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Sep 11, 2006 4:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

This is a great thread! you see.. i have often wondered if any of you guys had songs you did not like. As for the posters mention of the songs he did not like (throwing stones, mexicali blues).. I never could get into these... until I saw them on DVD. It really helps to kick you up into the tune if you can see them playing it..


I haven't been able to get into:

He's Gone, most Dark Stars (sigh), El Paso (but i love mexicali blues :) ), mama tried, row jimmy, black throated wind, greatest story ever told, when i paint my masterpiece, the race is on, lost sailor, saint of circumstance, jack-a-roe, attics of my life(!), althea... etc. the list is kind of long..

it may be, but i keep trudgin' through and listen to them even when i am most tempted to skip the song.

Oh and.. can anyone help me with this? I have not been able to find a version of box of rain that i like better than the studio version off of american beauty.. or a cryptical envelopment...or...a Help>slip! that is spicier than the one on Blues For Allah.. (for the help>slip! i think its the crispiness i like on blues for allah.. ) Don't get me wrong.. i have found a lot of good ones for the help>slip!.. like 6/9/77 and everything.. but i still favor the album version.

-Max

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Sep 11, 2006 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

OK..I was waiting for someone to mention Dark Star. I understand the "spaciness" of it and all that. But..I have never gotten all excited about it. Well..9-20-90 maybe as I was there for that one..but...when it pops up on a tape or CD, I'll generally skip through it. Strange, eh?

I love CC Rider and All over now


Jim

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 11, 2006 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

i agree with around and around - one more sat nite - dont ease - samba (puke) - i also hate corrina on every version ive heard includeing every ratdog version.
love bobby goin "off" on late 80's estimated's though - especially Frost Amph in 86 - jawdropping.
Row Jimmy is a great song in the verses, but good god, could they drag out that ending any longer??? Boring!!.

personally, i can't stand Lost Sailor - kinda like the lyrics but the tune just doens't do it for me.
Terrapin just got annoying after they brought it back into rotation - i used to cringe when it started seemingly every other night - great outros though once hornsby hopped on board.

Standing on the Moon is also one of my least fav's. I understand why some people like it - just never grabbed me.

Last one i'll mention, and i find horrifyingly bad - We Can Run - love brent but that tune just sucks bad.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Sep 11, 2006 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

"OK..I was waiting for someone to mention Dark Star. I understand the "spaciness" of it and all that. But..I have never gotten all excited about it. Well..9-20-90 maybe as I was there for that one..but...when it pops up on a tape or CD, I'll generally skip through it. Strange, eh?"

I don't think its about the spaciness.. I find a lot where i can generally groove to the jams going on..even if they are drum based jams.. I like the 2-18-73 or something dark star (its sandwiched inbetween wharf rat).. this is a dark star that i listen to on a basis... along with 11-11-73 believe it or not. when bobby gets to that jam at the last 5 minutes, its just so cool :)

but anyways i have only been listening to the dead for 5 months now (5 straight months :P) and Ive been trying to accumulate all the knowledge i can.. and i think that dark star is a thing where you always hear it.. and pieces of it stick in your brain.. and at some point a rendition of dark star is created in your head. ok hah im just kidding, but i really thing dark star is something you gradually appreciate. Dark star is the eclectic collection of the ┬žound of the grateful dead.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 11, 2006 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Cau Max: Am right now listening to the Dark Star from 1971-02-18. Give it a listen. It might boost your opinion of the tune, particularly the jam out of Wharf Rat. B-A-Utiful! Loved reading the replies here!! Onward the show!

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Sep 11, 2006 9:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Arbuthnot: nah i mentioned that particular date cuz i love it myself :) i found "Beautiful Jam" originally on the Road box sex.. and then i found where it was from. totally beautiful eh? I like the initial dark star.

But how about 11/11/73?! thats just craggy, IMHO. that is such a..... pieced up, choppy, nasty dark star, and i love it. all 35 minutes of it :P

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Sep 10, 2006 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

that's a great post, and although I really DO love Stella Blue, I have to admit that I have never been able to really enjoy Morning Dew. With all of the shows I've seen and all the shows I've collected, I am kind of ashamed......I mean I like the song, but I just have never been floored by it like so many others. Honestly, it depresses me a bit.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 10, 2006 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

He's Gone, one of my fav for lyrics and an often powerful "Goin' where the wind..." section, but the beat just drags...

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Poster: tbrad Date: Sep 10, 2006 9:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

I notice a trend here.
All three songs you guys named off - Stella Blue, Morning Dew, and He's Gone are slow-paced, sort of mournful, nostalgic kind of songs.
I'm almost ashamed to admit that they are some of my favorite tunes - not up at the level of Dark Star or Scarlet Begonias but fairly close.
I think it's because I kind of want to feel sad when I hear the dead. All the experiences I had and all the people I knew - that all disappeared after the summer of '95 for various reasons.

Wow - didn't mean for this post to turn out this way, sorry to be the wet towel.

Dude, I just hate CC Rider. And I love the blues and I have tried to like that song.
It's Bobby's delivery. He just never pulled it off IHO.
He just doesn't have the gruffness that Pig had, and it always seemed like he was trying to channel that. Not enough whiskey and cigs.

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Sep 10, 2006 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

I agree on CC Rider. It just drags. There are a couple of versions that are pretty good, but I wished they had combined it with Train To Cry from the get go instead of having to wait for it to happen in 89. Whenever I hear an early 80's version of CC, I start to sing Train To Cry.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 10, 2006 10:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Little Red Rooster
and
Around and Around
2 Bobby show killers

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 10, 2006 10:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Okay, good to know i'm not alone in my dilemma! Yeah, Stella Blue is a slow, more mournful tune, but i absolutely love songs like Morn Dew (sorry Yankee!), Bird Song, To Lay Me Down, etc. But you know, i was thinking more recently that it's possible on some future day, i may just all-of-a-sudden feel moved by Stella Blue. I mean, hey, there once was a day (long ago now) when i couldn't see any worth in certain bands or artists, but today find them ranked among my favorites. Sinatra, for one example, comes to mind. Damn, that man was the coolest singer around. And from Hoboken, my old man's stomping grounds! Just too cool.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Man. I could defend every song and give each of you versions that just might convert you. I saw a Stella at Cal Expo in May '91 that blew the doors off the place in the closing solo.

Even El Paso which can be a real god bathroom break has a stunner at UCSB in '74. There are songs I got sick of partcularly in the late eighties when it seemed Man Smart and Ramble On Rose got played at every second show. thought it showed laziness. But you know what? It was only a tenth of us following them around so a lot of people in the room were getting their only Ramble On for the tour, maybe the year, maybe three years! I went four years without Scarlet>Fire and never saw Dark Star.

On the other hand I'd willngly see any song now whethter it's Victim (took me a long time to get into that on) or even Easy Answers. JuSt to see them all in front of me again.

Samba in the Rain? Not so much.

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Poster: sonomajon Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

I can't understand how folks don't dig Stella Blue...Jerry loved that tune...and sang it with passion...11-4-77 Stella is epic...

On the flip side CC rider, Around, Victim and yes Samson could be monotonous...

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Sep 11, 2006 7:53pm
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I got a CC Rider from the Greek in the Fall of '81 that'd knock your socks off. Oh and New Year's eve '85!!! Check it out! It's manic.

Stella by all accounts was Jerry's favourite song that he wrote. Sinatra should have covered it.

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Yeah for me it is mexicali and Vic Oh I can't stand mexicali for the life of me. thats it far as bobby tunes go. I'm shocked about the stella remarks and the one were someone said dew too. ahh to each there own. I think for jerry it would be.... Don't Ease Me In. It used to be Deep Elem.( which I ve grown to love completely ) The funny thing is as I am writing this of course I'm crnking the the dead and Guess what comes on? Yeah U guessed it Don't ease. ha.

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Poster: g10tim Date: Sep 11, 2006 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Loved Loose Lucy on Mars, but never heard them do it very well live. Not a musician, but maybe too many changes to really get it down on stage.

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Sep 11, 2006 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

"Feel like a Stranger", "El Paso" and I'm still wrestling with "Minglewood" after all these years. Sometimes I love it..sometimes I hit "next track" Love all the other Bobby tunes.

Jim

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Poster: paint-picker Date: Sep 11, 2006 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Here's a new one, 'Sampson & Delilah'. Drives me nuts, I don't know why. I often move on to the next song, it's that bad!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 11, 2006 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

I could never get into Box of Rain, though I've tried.
Also Around & Around...until...until that fateful day I heard a Dicks Pick 1978 version(the date escapes me at the moment) where it has an abrupt turn into ass kickin rock 'n roll.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 11, 2006 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Wow! How is it that I love allmost every song that is getting mentioned? ( except aroundX2, rooster and a coupla others which aren't really great songs anyway imo ).I guess maybe looks like rain would be one for me.

There are some songs that I didn't appreciate live at all but later grew to like and even love such as Terrapin and Sugaree. Or how about songs that are great but were played to death ( like Touch of Grey ). Or how about songs I'd wish would end but went on forever like Ramble on Rose.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 11, 2006 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

LLR, never did it for me. Street cats don't "make love", they mate, loudly. I always thought it was just too sappy. Maybe Rod Stewart could do LLR? THAT would be appropriate.

Some Estimated Prophets go on to long. Especially the years where Bobby(Slobby) would go howler-monkey with, "don't worry 'bout me, no".

BUT, LLR is probably the only song without at least 1 version that I like.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:29pm
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Yeah I was going to mention Estimated too for the same reasons. I do like that song, just not the Bobby droning on and on thing. Also, I never understood why the vocals became so drab. He used to sing nicely then it became weird with this offbeat or offkey thing.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Boy, LLR, yeah, I have to agree--but I never even tried to love it, I just couldn't stand it from day 1. It's such a cheese-ball tune; something you'd expect one of those 80's hair bands to sing. (Sorry, Bobby, but there is that tendency)...

The one I DID try to love, and just could not...and i'll probably be charged with blasphemy here--is Black Muddy River.

Perfect title for a song that flows about as well as its name and sounds twice as crappy.

yeesh, talk about a dangerous topic! I could see this getting as heated as the old SBD debate!!

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:22pm
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where ya bin grendlechoice? been missing your writing

maybe we could temper our selections by naming a performance for our choices that was the exception

He's Gone 8/3/82 - pure crystaline...

shouldn't speak for you AshesRising, but i can't help but wonder if there isn't a particular Sugaree worth pulling out of your fireplace :)

high flow: if you haven't already, check out 9/2/83 Estimated, for once Bobby listens to those voices that tell him so ("step away from the microphone")

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Sep 11, 2006 9:13pm
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midnight sun: the only thing coming out of my fireplace is a Lady with a Fan and she fairly "laughs" at me. If I remember correctly, you saw the Lake Placid monster Sugaree as well, correct? I'll take your advice and play that tape tonight (w/"Birdsong > Esau > Deal" tryptic).--- AshesRising

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

Nice to hear from YOU, Midnight!

I've been outta the loop, mostly since the loss of the boards curtailed my DL habit and so, outta sight, outta mind, I guess...

It's been tough, what with my further technological inability to figure out how to work alternate sites like GD Live to get gems like The Mosque 5-25-77...been listening to it here streaming since I got a decent computer recently (another reason i've been MIA for a while)...and man, what a show! But it sure would be nice to get a DL of it for cruising in the car, etc...

and is this a hint for any kind soul w/a clean Board of 5-25-77 to offer up a trade or burn for blanks? You bet it is! (I'm shameless when it comes to shows I feel i need like the air I breathe ;-)

GC

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:07pm
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5/25/77 available a sugarmegs....going to get it right now.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 11, 2006 2:07pm
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your in luck! entire show in shn, and you are welcome to a copy of anything else i might have

but i am way too paranoid about publicaly posting my e-mail address, any suggestions?

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 11, 2006 2:16pm
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hmmm....totally understand your email concern...i'll try to think that one out and get back to you...and thanks!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 11, 2006 2:31pm
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I usually use an alternate email address for trading here, and when I do post it, i edit it out of my post 5min later. Or whatever time is agreed.
Just a suggestion.
(and i'm the king of paranoia-cough!)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 11, 2006 2:40pm
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...good idea, i think...I'll put my email up when you're ready, M-sun... (just let me know--whenever is fine) and i'll post my Yahoo adrress...then I can edit it out of the thread later.



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Poster: midnight sun Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:49pm
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anytime within the next half hour is good for me,

update: sorry, gotta burn, we'll try again soon

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:53pm
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Yep--try again later...no rush!

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 11, 2006 2:02pm
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Hi GC - I just checked GDLive, but I do not see 5/25/77. Did you see this one at GDLive? If so, I'd dl it and send a copy to you when I can, but I don't have it as of today.

Please advise...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 11, 2006 2:10pm
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Hey,, thanks for the offer.

Actually, I was only going by what I had read in a review of the Mosque show from this site...I could have sworn that someone wrote 'you can DL this from GD Live' but maybe I was mistaken.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:47pm
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Hello Midnightsun - I have not heard that particular Estimated, I will.

For Ashes, I just dl'd 5/26/77(most here have heard all of 5/77, so this is a reminder) which opes w/ Music Never Stopped and goes directly to an interesting Sugaree. This set also has appearances by Sunrise and Passenger. Crystal-freakin'-clear sound. It probably won't convert you but...

P.S. - I have a good friend who hates Sugaree. You are not alone.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 11, 2006 1:27pm
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One of the funniest things I ever heard was at Cal Expo 6-9-90. As soon as they started up BMR I over hear the guy next to me say " well I guess it's time to Muddy on out to the parking lot."

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Sep 11, 2006 6:56am
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Arbuthnot: stay away from the Ketel - Sinatra? - I can't stand him the Muzak company that has him following me around. -- on to your question....how warped is this for a song I tried desperately to love but gave up? - Sugaree. ---shoot me now, -- AshesRising

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Poster: The Bopper Date: Sep 11, 2006 11:29pm
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Woman are Smarter - It's not cause of the lyrics, but I just don't like this one. I thought I could make myself like it because it's got the same rhythm as Aiko, but I still almost always skip it.

West LA Fadeaway - I used to actually love this song, especially the '82-'83 versions and now I rarely listen to it because its become so monotonous to me. Guess that is the opposite of this post...hey that could be another post. "songs you used to love, but now you hate"

Dark Star - I've tried, and while I a can listen to a early 70's version if I'm on a road trip or something like that, I just can crank one of these on my daily drive to work.

Frankins tower - monotonous again, though I do enjoy the lyrics and I used to enjoy it live. But I'll rarely listen to one these days.

I once read or heard that the one song Jerry would have wanted to stop playing was Big River. I think there was a quote with him saying something along the line of... if there was one song he could go without ever hearing again it was Big River.


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Poster: Fishead Date: Sep 12, 2006 6:36am
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around >good love

hated it !!!!!

total show killer ! :(

also queen lame.....never could understand out of all the dylan tunes out there they would always play that one..

how a bout doin a thin man more often ...

and the one jerry tune (another dylan cover)that i've tried to get into but just cannot is baby blue....since it's always the encore it's easy to skip or delete if needed ... :)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:53pm
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I think it's near unanimous by now that 'Round&Round was a nasty bummer...but never was it worse to me than stomping its ugly butt all over the end of a particularly excellent Stella Blue...

like getting woken up from a beautiful dream by some idiot with a bullhorn.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:02pm
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have you listened to the 5/11/78 Around & Around? I tried to love it, then...I did! Near the end it changes gear into one ass-kickin rocker. Check it out, you may hear it as an exception.
Casey Jones...well actually most of their common encores were so-so to me. Maybe because the show was ending.
I was never much into I bid you goodnight

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:16pm
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I'm sure I would have liked R&R better had it been a first setter. Hated how it always came at the end of a song like Wharf Rat or Black peter, and just jarred it so rudely out of existence.

I'll give the one you mentioned a try.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:21pm
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It's in Dicks Picks 18

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:22pm
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Oh! I have that--guess I just haven't even bothered w/the R&R..

That's the disc that has my all time favorite DUPREE's, if I'm thinking of the right one....

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Sep 12, 2006 11:19am
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Liam Finnegan: "Samson and Delilah- almost a "hate it" song but I did try to like it"

The reason I like the Bobby songs that I do, is because I like his vocal accenting, and in Samson and Delilah, he goes nuts!! :) Especially on the Winterland DVDs, "Well she, SPOKE SO KIND and talked so FAIR!!" Ha.. I love the little ad-libs he hads to the lyrics. "And the bee's made honey in the lion's head - GOOD GOD"

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Poster: ReddyKillowatt Date: Sep 12, 2006 11:45am
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Any song that Bobby tried to sing after Pig passed. Good lovin', Lovelight, Midnight Hour, etc. Those songs were made for Pigpen to me. And I can't enjoy them without him.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 12, 2006 11:53am
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I know I'm gonna catch heat on this one but . ..... I never really liked Pig. Didn't like his voice, didn't like his singing style, just plain didn't like him (musically). I enjoy bobby's versions much more (usually, he had plenty of bonehead screwups and trainwrecks too).

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:14pm
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Yeah you are gonna catch heat bro but all in good fun....are u nuts pig was the dead before he left us. When I first stared cranking the dead well when my older brother turned me on I should say, that was who I first heard. It was a pigpen tune. He had that blue voice and I mean blue! It was almost like bringing you to church were all your friends would attend.
Bobby... IMHO wrecked pigs songs except good lovin'. He ( Bobby ) has that stutter in some songs almost like he's talking and not singing. He stared that in the 90's ahh don't care for that much.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

imagine Pigpen singing Estimated Prophet...i wonder where the Dead would have ended, in a musical sense, had Pig lived on into the 90's. OK, don't imagine it -lol

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:42pm
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yeah, what the hell was up with Bobby during the 90's with "talking" half the lyrics. I am no fan of that either. Did he have a voice problem?? or was he striving to emulate William Shatner's singing prowess.

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:52pm
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lol... yeah i don't know but beam me away from that sh#t.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:53pm
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Don't know the extent but in 1993 Weir did have vocal surgery. if you listen to the Vegas gigs in the spring of this year you'll hear his voice completely shot.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:26pm
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I love weir, but his rendition of standing on the moon with ratdog is the worst thing I have ever heard. That is a perfect example of his "shatner-style" delivery

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:46pm
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exactly!!!!! i dont really like the song anyways, but weir's versions are downright painful.
He was doing it a lot in the latest the Dead tour - though i can't quite put my finger on which songs - shows were a blur at times - :)
Just a terrible way to "sing" - at least James Tiberius Kirk was funny

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 12, 2006 2:58pm
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help on the way and bird song come to mind. The problem with the new "dead" for me was the constant lineup change. When they let go Barraco and weir started singing jerry's tunes it was over for me.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 12, 2006 3:08pm
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I saw Ratdog 1 time. Bob doin' Jerry makes me ill. Period.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 12, 2006 3:14pm
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Concur. I'd rather see weir do old bobby and the midnights and solo stuff along with HIS dead tunes with ratdog. There is no need for him to do Friend of the devil. That's bathroom break time.

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:59pm
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yeah I know but you can sing still you, know he still does with ratdog. He doesn't have too give the rock star voice thing. I still love him though fall tour starts in a week or so.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:10pm
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Hey Now! - No PIG for you? Well, I always say, "when Pig was in the band, it was a man's man's band".

Donna drained the testosterone from the band. They went from a hard-drivin' psychadelic blues band to a more of soft-core free-form jazz band. Both encarnations were very good, but the masculine side of my personality LOVES Pig in '71.

Hard to Handle 8/6/71, scares the girls...
Relatioship advice on 9/19/70(practically '71)...why don't you go....somebody?

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:12pm
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yeah that hollywood show was was just nuts. That hard to handle was insane, I guess he was in more ways then one... But not for me

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:48pm
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Hey Now BlkPeter - Do yourself a favor and listen to the 9/19/70 show. Start at St. Stephen and just dig the China Cat Jam and a great Lovelight. Then stick around for the Youngbloods and an encore appearance by Pig and Phil.

Here's what happens when a NY audience refuses to go home...

Hilarious!

P.S. - I always thought Black Peter sounded like a medical condition that should be checked-out immediately!

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:07pm
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I am feeling a little bit under the weather, ha

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:24pm
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are you trying to imply that i am not a man?? 'dems fightin words :)

personally i love the more free form jazz side better (of course i do love the freakout versions of the eleven and stuff - but i still consider that "kinda" jazz)
Agree that Donna helped sucked the testoterone out - i am no fan of hers. Given the choice between the two - i'd take Pig in a heartbeat. Its not the songs themselves i didn't like - just didn't like Pig's voice.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:28pm
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Hey Dire - It's not you, it's me. I definitely don't want a fight. ;) It's just that something bubbles inside me when Pig gets surly.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 12, 2006 12:34pm
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lol - i know it's all in good fun man - and KNEW i was going to hear it :) I jumped right into the frying pan on that one.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 12, 2006 8:51pm
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Not like Pig? Direwolf, why not just take a knife and stab me in the heart! Well, kidding of course. Funny though, i think at first (i'm going back near thirty years so my brain is a bit fuzzy), i didn't know what to make of Pigpen, and even more recently, i've found myself a bit tired of some of his Lovelights. Don't get me wrong, there are some really special Lovelights that i truly cherish, but i have found myself getting into songs like Smokestack Lightning, Easy Wind, King Bee, and others. Did you happen to download the Pigpen Compilation, i think off etree recently. Effin' glorious!

high flow: agreed. No matter how hard i tried, i just couldn't get into Donna Jean. And i generally love female singers, but i don't know, there was something turnoffish about her vocal style. I mean, imagine if it were Grace Slick and not Donna, or for that matter, Patti Smith, or more recently, Neko Case, Chan Marshall ... but of course they wouldn't have fit the Dead style, i don't think anyway. However, Donna just too often sucked the life juice out of a song. Even with Jer's band.

As to Black Peter, i seriously loved the album version of the song, thought it one of the best Jerry songs ever, but live it never really took me. On the other hand, every now and again i really get into it and it makes me happy, if even a bit nostalgic for the days when Jerry had it all together.

grendelschoice: ha, ha, good imagery! And yeah, i've never said it, but man, screw Bobby.

And finally, call me weird, but i really love Man Smarter, at least the early 80's versions that i have been getting into lately. I mean, some of them really got the ol' adrenaline pumping, especially if Phil was high in the mix.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:00pm
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Funny that everyone hates CC rider. I wish they put that back in the rotation. Try New years 85 for a smoking version. Would love to tell you that I "tried" to love Victim but I'd be lying. The one song I just didn't get was Black Peter. saw 2 great versions: Vegas 91 and providence 87 but this song just annoyed me most of the time.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:35pm
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Not me. I like CC Rider

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 11, 2006 3:36pm
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I also LOVE Victim, allways did. Everyone hated that tune and it was one of the most intersting and exciting tunes they did in those years. I never could understand how people could actually stay awake for much less like Standing on the Moon but not like Victim.

I also like Black Peter. I like most of the dark depressing tunes.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:12pm
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Well, all the answers to this have good arguments behind them, and some I personally agree with. For me, I have always had a real problem with Sampson, especially when Bobby gets to the "...killed a man with his paws" line. Sorry, if he's trying to sound dramatic, "paws" makes me think of puppies and kittens. How simple would it have been to use "claws" instead? OK, I know I'm nitpicking here, but that has always killed the song for me, despite some versions where Jerry gets off on some really nice picking.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:19pm
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Try this "Sampson": Lehigh, 9-25-81.

Even Bobby can't kill it w/ the insane licks Jerry lays down not to mention Brent just flying all over the keys and punctuating Jerry's riffs.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:32pm
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I must admit you have a valid point. Being a Lehigh alum (thus the poster name), I have a particular soft spot in my heart for this show. I had forgotten the "Sampson", indeed it is as close as possible to being one I can actually appreciate.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:39pm
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9-25-81 was one of the very first tapes I ever had--a freakin' Ampex!--and I held onto it until it was coughing up blood and just couldn't go on any more...

The second set of that show still blows my mind and despite Jerry's brain-farting the first verse of Fire, it has one of my top 3 Scarlet>Fires of all time. The landing from Scarlet into fire still gives me the goose bumps.

Great school, btw...

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 12, 2006 1:48pm
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Yeah, this show overall blew the doors of the newly opened Stabler Arena. There was some sound problems early on in the first set, but there were eventually rectified and the boys played a fine show; and I agree with your assessment of the Scarlet>Fire transition...very well done.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 11, 2006 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

You know it's funny about hearing stories of people's displeasure of Black Muddy River. I always liked that tune and very rarely saw it live. I knew a few people who hated it. Maybe because they toured extensively and got it a lot as an encore. I finally got one and the crew I was with said, "let's beat the traffic". I said, "i'll catch up."

Also good to see people not selecting the most hated song, day Job. I could care less about what the song represents, I just think it's a rip of US Blues

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Poster: darkstar92772 Date: Sep 11, 2006 6:40am
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As it's early and I'm headed off to class, I don't have time to write in an eloquent manor like ya'll, I'll just say I never met a "Stranger" that I liked.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 11, 2006 6:29am
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I listen to Stella with the thought in mind that I'm asking something of Jerry...and knowing my request will never be answered makes it all the more sentimental and tragic...

"Dust off those rusty strings just one more time."

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Sep 11, 2006 11:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Dead song you really, really tried to love

I have a few of these - had to weigh in

Eyes of the World- maybe a big surprise- but I find myself skipping it- just seems so many of them were mindless meandering after 74

Samson and Delilah- almost a "hate it" song but I did try to like it

Black Peter= find parking lot ticket





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